Throwback Thursday: If a god lives in a forest and there is no one there to worship it is it still a god?

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Throwback Thursday will be when I pull one of the most popular articles from my old blog and repost them here, sometimes with additional commentary. 

nihilistic-void reblogged this from bodaciousbanshee and added:
“What makes man-made “gods” not “real gods”? I’ve always been curious about the line between considering an egregore a god or just a regular spirit. Asmodeus and Lucifer have both gotten bitchy about thoughtforms being made in their likeness, but I haven’t heard them talk about man-made spirits being lauded as gods.”

Ah yes, this is an interesting and complex subject, and partially a matter of opinion or perspective. The short answer on the difference between a god and an egrigore, thoughtform, homunculus, etc. is age.

Now there is this funny thing called the Lindy Effect, Lindy Paradox or Lindy’s Law, this law or theory states that life expectancy (relevance) of non-perishable things like a concept, type of technology, or in this case a deity or religion is different from the lifespan of a living thing. Every additional day, month, year, century, etc. that one of these ideas or technologies exist can mean that they will remain in existence/relevance for that much longer. Whereas, with living things, plants and animals, their future lifespan diminishes with each passing day. That is why a meme that was cool for one week a month ago only lasted another week after that and was promptly forgotten and replaced. Whereas, the book of Genesis, which has been around for thousands of years, and was an oral tradition before that, is still read and revered to this day. According to the Lindy Effect, Genesis will remain culturally relevant for thousands more years.

An egrigore made yesterday, may only stay in use for another month and begin to fade. An ancient entity from Mesopotamia, like Asmodeus, has enough psychic energy to go on for pretty much eternity.

He who does not have a past has no present or future.” -Arabic proverb

Every once in a while, a lucky egrigore, thoughform, or tulpa (a psychic/sacred image or shell made to house/be a mask for an existing energy or entity) will survive long enough to become a god of sorts, or get absorbed by a pre-existing deity. The Baphomet is one such example, invented by the Middle Ages, but so many occultists have worked with them that they really have become a deity in their own right, complete with a personality and skillset and lessons to teach their followers, although Baphomet has also become merged/muddled with the ideas of Satan and Lucifer, and in that sense sometimes serves as a mask/image for them.

An example of a deity comfortably consuming an egrigorical form is Crowley’s “Babalon” who was based of the “Whore of Babylon” from the book of Revelation in the New Testament. He changed the spelling so it would add up to a desired number with Greek gematria (a type of numerology that relates to letters first used by the Assyro-Babylonians). However, Ishtar, the patroness of the city/empire of Babylon quickly adopted that mask, although that was long before Crowley. Because if you read the parts about the Queen of Heaven and the Whore of Babylon in Revelation you will realize that John of Patmos borrowed those lines almost directly from the Exaltation of Inana (Inana was the Sumerian name for Ishtar) which was written millennia earlier (circa 2,300 BCE). John of Patmos, being a religious scribe and learned man in the First Century would have been familiar with the poems of Enhedunana, and his contemporaries would have got his literary reference. However John Dee and Crowley were unaware of the work of Enhedunana because there were no translations available to them (it was not translated from Sumerian til 1970). But Ishtar recognized her invocation and assumed her modern title. However, like I said before: “Babalon is not an ancient goddess. Ishtar is an ancient goddess, and Ishtar is Babalon/Babylon, but Babalon is not Ishtar. Babalon is a mask Ishtar wears, not the other way around.”

Now while forgotten egrigores will fade into nearly nothing without tasks to fulfill and people feeding them energy, a forgotten god will just hang out on the astral till someone re-discovers them. If need be, the god will seek out a human who might help their cause. When Méche MacMorrigan started pestering me, I had no idea who he was and thought he might be a really senile and confused spirit or just full of shit…there was kind of a communication barrier at first because English, and I was really confused by a dragon, who was obviously very old, insisting that he was an Irish entity and was close to the Morrigan, and he seemed to know waaaaay too much about me. Then he proved that he was really in cahoots with the Morrigan and I was terrified and confused because I still did not know who he was. Then, lo and behold, I found him in the mythology Méche, son of the Morrigan, a snake so big he could eat all of Ireland. I had seen his name once before, briefly, in reference to the Morrigan, but I was unaware of the fact that he was a motherfucking dragon. But despite my being ignorant of him, he was very aware of me, and kind of annoyed that I was not trying to get in touch because he was appearing in my dreams in various guises trying to get my attention.

In short, I guess being a god takes work and worship, and entities who don’t work, and don’t get worshiped are not deemed gods by the gods who work hard to get worshiped and build relationships with their followers through the answering of prayers and such.

Of course, one’s definition of “god” will vary according to their paradigm, and this is just mine.

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